Warriors and Energy - Guild Wars Forums

DarkRyu · Aug 04, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19

Do warriors gain any energy at level up, as so far i have gain none and cant understand why.

Ryu

Torkemada · Aug 04, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Warriors Max standard energy is 20, with 2 arrows of energy regen.

Only way to increase that its thru items like armor, idols, etc.

Kuku Monk · Aug 04, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37

My W's armor is at 27 right now. Like Torkemada said you buy Gladiator's armor which is the only type that has +energy to it IIRC. However, the trade off with this is the armor level is a bit lower than the other types.

Mr. Matt · Aug 04, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Plus Gladiator's Armour looks daft

. I mean, what kind of armour would leave your whole chest exposed and still have the nerve to call itself armour? Fair enough, no-one can chop my arms off while I'm wearing it, but that's no bloody consolation if I've got 12 swords rammed straight through my chest is it?!

Erm... yeah. Anyway. Warrior energy is the lowest in the game, and as has been said, the only way to increase it is through items. Unless you're using your secondary profession, however, you will only very rarely find yourself with an energy shortage.

Fate · Aug 04, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00

Warriors energy can be just as high as a Mesmer's if you wear the gladiator's set. Regen will never be the same though.

DarkRyu · Aug 04, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Isn't that unfair on warriors though?

Algren Cole · Aug 04, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37

not really. every character class has a different size pool of energy. Warriors use alot of adrenaline based skills so they don't need alot of energy for their primary. If youre secondary requires a hefty amount of energy then get the Gladiators armor.

Swampgirl Inez · Aug 04, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40

Not really. It's all about balance. Warriors have greater strength and the highest armor level. Most warrior skills use very little energy and adrenaline based skills so it really depends on your secondary. I'm a W/E which actually uses a lot of energy, but if you watch what you're doing and don't use anything too energy intensive, it's not a big problem.

DarkRyu · Aug 04, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47

I was meaning in comparison to other classes, Below i will post my hp, energy and level and my friends hp, energy and level so you guys can see what I???m getting at:

W/Mo (me): level 8 - 255hp - 20energy
E/R (my friend): level 8 - 254hp - 57energy

As you can see an E/R at the same level as myself has only one less hp but almost triple my energy, how can this be seen as fair?

Ryu

Algren Cole · Aug 04, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

go through the list of skills in your build and add up the total energy cost of each skill for a total energy consumption for the build(im assuming you're using mostly warrior skills...if you're not then you need to choose a different primary)...then do the same for the Elementalist...Warriors don't use energy, therefore they don't need large pools of available energy.

Swampgirl Inez · Aug 04, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52

It's fair because Ele's skills use energy... A LOT of energy. Everything an ele does requires energy. The ele's primary stat is Energy Storage.

Other classes get other stats. My warrior gets strength for armor penetration. My mesmer gets fast casting to get in that extra punch. Etc.

DarkRyu · Aug 04, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

But the Ele has the same HP as me...... that cant be right as then the only thing that makes a warrior any different is his armour and lack of energy

Ryu

Algren Cole · Aug 04, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11

all characters have the same amount of Base HP per level. the problem you are having is that you expecting the warrior to be an uber damage dealing meanie...and the warrior is NOT an uber damage dealing meanie...he is a tank. Used by a group to take the brunt of the damage so that the damage dealers (Ranger & Elementalists) don't have to worry about taking damage.

DarkRyu · Aug 04, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

"Looks back up the thread"

Yup sure did complain about the warriors damage

/sarcasm

Anyway I know that a warriors job is to tank - that???s what there made for but what I???m getting at is shouldn???t they get more hp then the other classes as they are the tanking class?

Ryu

Swampgirl Inez · Aug 04, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16

not necessarily.. that's why they get better armor.

Algren Cole · Aug 04, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

The game is designed around a balanced class system. No one class has any more HP than the Other. You'll find later in the game(through experience) that armor is more important than HP. Elementalists get more energy because they require more energy....monks get more pips of energy regen because they require more pips of energy regen...warriors get higher AL armor because they require higher AL armor....they don't require more HP.

samarium · Aug 04, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Actually, all jobs have exactly the same base HP and Energy (save for Elementalist) when you take their armor off: 100 and 20 with 2 arrows.

It's even possible for a warrior to have more energy than a mesmer in certain cases; like if he's wearing Gladiator's and the Mesmer is wearing the Rogue set.

But Warriors have one of the best ways to regain energy during combat: Bonetti's Defense. Four blocked hits and your base energy bar is full. Just like everything else in the game, it all balances out

-sam

ShadowStorm · Aug 04, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

If you want more HP, use HP enhancing skills like Demonic Flesh, Endure Pain, and Defy Pain. (2 of those are Warrior Skills)

Or you could use Fetile Season or Symbiosis.

chaos dragoon · Aug 04, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

the reason your ele friend has more energy is his energy storage attribute.only ele primarys have this atttribute.

Kha · Aug 04, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34

The problem is you are just looking at the simple HP and energy numbers and making assumptions. Warriors do not need more energy because:

-They have skills that require adrenaline.
-They are not designed to be using large energy skills.
-They have the best constant damage and are not energy dependent to create damage.
-Like any profession, they can use items to increase their energy.
-If you are really energy dependent, each profession has energy management skills to help out.

Warriors do not need more HP because:

-They have the highest base armor and highest armor against physical.
-They have some of the best defense skills in the game.
-They have skills that increase their HP if needed.
-They have the attributes to use shields.
-Armor has a higher impact on damage than amount of HP.
-They have armor and runes to absorb some damage.

So no, to be effective as a warrior you don't need more than 20 energy. And I know a lot of warriors that are efficient with even less total energy. In the end, it's all about balance. You can't have the best of both worlds. But with careful planning, the right profession combination, skill and item choices, you can come pretty close.

BTW, no profession gains energy as they level up, so don't think warriors are an exception. Raising your attributes makes your skill worth more per energy, therefore you don't need more energy.

Aug 04, 2005, 01:19 PM // 13:19	#1
DarkRyu Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Warriors and Energy Do warriors gain any energy at level up, as so far i have gain none and cant understand why. Ryu

Aug 04, 2005, 04:34 PM // 16:34	#20
Kha Sins FTW! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Guild: Angel Sharks [AS]	The problem is you are just looking at the simple HP and energy numbers and making assumptions. Warriors do not need more energy because: -They have skills that require adrenaline. -They are not designed to be using large energy skills. -They have the best constant damage and are not energy dependent to create damage. -Like any profession, they can use items to increase their energy. -If you are really energy dependent, each profession has energy management skills to help out. Warriors do not need more HP because: -They have the highest base armor and highest armor against physical. -They have some of the best defense skills in the game. -They have skills that increase their HP if needed. -They have the attributes to use shields. -Armor has a higher impact on damage than amount of HP. -They have armor and runes to absorb some damage. So no, to be effective as a warrior you don't need more than 20 energy. And I know a lot of warriors that are efficient with even less total energy. In the end, it's all about balance. You can't have the best of both worlds. But with careful planning, the right profession combination, skill and item choices, you can come pretty close. BTW, no profession gains energy as they level up, so don't think warriors are an exception. Raising your attributes makes your skill worth more per energy, therefore you don't need more energy. __________________ Last edited by Kha; Aug 04, 2005 at 04:49 PM // 16:49..

Aug 04, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24	#2
Torkemada Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Argentina Guild: EC - The Epic Crusade Profession: Mo/Me	Warriors Max standard energy is 20, with 2 arrows of energy regen. Only way to increase that its thru items like armor, idols, etc.

Aug 04, 2005, 01:37 PM // 13:37	#3
Kuku Monk Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Jun 2005 Profession: Me/E	My W's armor is at 27 right now. Like Torkemada said you buy Gladiator's armor which is the only type that has +energy to it IIRC. However, the trade off with this is the armor level is a bit lower than the other types.

Aug 04, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58	#4
Mr. Matt Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2005 Profession: R/Mo	Plus Gladiator's Armour looks daft . I mean, what kind of armour would leave your whole chest exposed and still have the nerve to call itself armour? Fair enough, no-one can chop my arms off while I'm wearing it, but that's no bloody consolation if I've got 12 swords rammed straight through my chest is it?! Erm... yeah. Anyway. Warrior energy is the lowest in the game, and as has been said, the only way to increase it is through items. Unless you're using your secondary profession, however, you will only very rarely find yourself with an energy shortage.

Aug 04, 2005, 02:00 PM // 14:00	#5
Fate Elite Guru Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: New England, USA Guild: Shadow Knights [SK] Profession: Mo/Me	Warriors energy can be just as high as a Mesmer's if you wear the gladiator's set. Regen will never be the same though.

Aug 04, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32	#6
DarkRyu Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	Isn't that unfair on warriors though?

Aug 04, 2005, 02:37 PM // 14:37	#7
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	not really. every character class has a different size pool of energy. Warriors use alot of adrenaline based skills so they don't need alot of energy for their primary. If youre secondary requires a hefty amount of energy then get the Gladiators armor.

Aug 04, 2005, 02:40 PM // 14:40	#8
Swampgirl Inez "I love reading trash!" Join Date: May 2005 Location: Home Again	Not really. It's all about balance. Warriors have greater strength and the highest armor level. Most warrior skills use very little energy and adrenaline based skills so it really depends on your secondary. I'm a W/E which actually uses a lot of energy, but if you watch what you're doing and don't use anything too energy intensive, it's not a big problem.

Aug 04, 2005, 02:47 PM // 14:47	#9
DarkRyu Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	I was meaning in comparison to other classes, Below i will post my hp, energy and level and my friends hp, energy and level so you guys can see what I???m getting at: W/Mo (me): level 8 - 255hp - 20energy E/R (my friend): level 8 - 254hp - 57energy As you can see an E/R at the same level as myself has only one less hp but almost triple my energy, how can this be seen as fair? Ryu

Aug 04, 2005, 02:52 PM // 14:52	#10
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	go through the list of skills in your build and add up the total energy cost of each skill for a total energy consumption for the build(im assuming you're using mostly warrior skills...if you're not then you need to choose a different primary)...then do the same for the Elementalist...Warriors don't use energy, therefore they don't need large pools of available energy.

Aug 04, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09	#12
DarkRyu Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	But the Ele has the same HP as me...... that cant be right as then the only thing that makes a warrior any different is his armour and lack of energy Ryu

Aug 04, 2005, 03:11 PM // 15:11	#13
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	all characters have the same amount of Base HP per level. the problem you are having is that you expecting the warrior to be an uber damage dealing meanie...and the warrior is NOT an uber damage dealing meanie...he is a tank. Used by a group to take the brunt of the damage so that the damage dealers (Ranger & Elementalists) don't have to worry about taking damage.

Aug 04, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15	#14
DarkRyu Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005	"Looks back up the thread" Yup sure did complain about the warriors damage /sarcasm Anyway I know that a warriors job is to tank - that???s what there made for but what I???m getting at is shouldn???t they get more hp then the other classes as they are the tanking class? Ryu

Aug 04, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16	#15
Swampgirl Inez "I love reading trash!" Join Date: May 2005 Location: Home Again	not necessarily.. that's why they get better armor.

Aug 04, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18	#16
Algren Cole Banned Join Date: Jun 2005	The game is designed around a balanced class system. No one class has any more HP than the Other. You'll find later in the game(through experience) that armor is more important than HP. Elementalists get more energy because they require more energy....monks get more pips of energy regen because they require more pips of energy regen...warriors get higher AL armor because they require higher AL armor....they don't require more HP.

Aug 04, 2005, 04:19 PM // 16:19	#17
samarium Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Guild: Pillers of Darkness [Dark] Profession: N/Mo	Actually, all jobs have exactly the same base HP and Energy (save for Elementalist) when you take their armor off: 100 and 20 with 2 arrows. It's even possible for a warrior to have more energy than a mesmer in certain cases; like if he's wearing Gladiator's and the Mesmer is wearing the Rogue set. But Warriors have one of the best ways to regain energy during combat: Bonetti's Defense. Four blocked hits and your base energy bar is full. Just like everything else in the game, it all balances out -sam

Aug 04, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24	#18
ShadowStorm Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: May 2005 Location: Take me where I cannot stand. Guild: The Better Part of Valor Profession: W/N	If you want more HP, use HP enhancing skills like Demonic Flesh, Endure Pain, and Defy Pain. (2 of those are Warrior Skills) Or you could use Fetile Season or Symbiosis.

Aug 04, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28	#19
chaos dragoon Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: The Warrior Nation[WN] Profession: R/	the reason your ele friend has more energy is his energy storage attribute.only ele primarys have this atttribute.